Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 1203878)

Originally Posted by Big_Rob (Post 1203890)

I posted this in a meat smoking forum and I think it will be appropriate for this thread...

People Eating Tasty Animals!!!

Originally Posted by Big_Rob (Post 1203890)

I posted this in a meat smoking forum and I think it will be appropriate for this thread...

People Eating Tasty Animals!!!

Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 1203947)

Originally Posted by Caligula (Post 1203939)

OMG...That looks good!!! :tongue_ma:

Originally Posted by Big_Rob (Post 1204027)

It was, real real good. :D

Originally Posted by GreenSpirit (Post 1204420)

I'd like to rename this the Heart disease thread.

Originally Posted by Black Blade (Post 1204412)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ss-section.jpg

Slay three species and presto! ....Turducken!!!

Mmmmmm....

Originally Posted by Black Blade (Post 1204412)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ss-section.jpg

Slay three species and presto! ....Turducken!!!

Mmmmmm....

Originally Posted by GreenSpirit (Post 1204420)

I'd like to rename this the Heart disease thread.

Originally Posted by Big_Rob (Post 1205325)

Im trying to come up with a source for duck pieces to make one on the smoker. Aint nothing like the good ole fashioned turkey duck chicken threesome of goodness.

Originally Posted by Silver Wolf (Post 1203916)

Peta is more controlled opposition. They do more harm than good for their cause. I'm against cruel testing on animals, torturing them, or killing them just for fun. I'm pro hunting and fishing (I'm a fishing fanatic) but I'm against using dead animal's bodies to disrespectfully spell out words. If an living thing has to die, at least have a little respect for nature.

I swear this world has gone completely insane.

Originally Posted by ruprick (Post 1205343)

m�nage � trois (household of three) (Sexual threesome)

Meat-nage a trois!

Originally Posted by KingTheoden (Post 1205346)

+1

People like to make fun of the Native Americans for using every part of an animal right down to the bone, but if one considers things, that is a very moral and just way of making use of a hunted animal.

Originally Posted by Black Blade (Post 1198127)

Parents: Teacher silenced son on hunting

Snippet:

Bordwell said in a telephone interview that she believed her son was "singled out" by Kathleen Backus, Jared's teacher, while talking about hunting with a schoolmate.

Bordwell said that, during snack time, Jared was discussing the recent spring turkey hunting season with a classmate when Backus interrupted the conversation, insisting that there be no talk of "killing" in her classroom.

Reached through a relative, Backus declined to comment.

At Monday's board meeting, Bordwell read from a prepared statement.

"I believe that Ms. Backus' perception of hunting and hunters have led her to treat Jared in an inappropriate manner, singling him out unfairly," she told the board.

"The breaking point for us, his parents, came when Jared was sharing a conversation during his free period snack time at school. He was talking with a friend about the recent spring 2008 turkey season. Both boys had been out hunting with their dads and Jared was asking his friend where he had gotten his first turkey.

"Jared's teacher covered her ears, trying to block the conversation, and singing 'la la la la.' When asked by another school employee about her odd behavior, the teacher claimed she did not want to hear about the boys and their 'killing.' The boys were left feeling that they were not legitimate hunters, but 'killers' in the eyes of an important authority figure in their lives," Bordwell said.

http://peakoilpetroleumandpreciousme...4428/master/1/


Black Blade: That teacher should be committed to a state institution for a 30-day evaluation. Her bizarre behavior suggests that she could be dangerous and she does work around children.

Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1205349)

I find it hard to believe a true hunter who understands nature would endorse this type of disrespect for animals. No wonder this country has so much bad karma.


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Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1205354)

If these kids are old enough to carry a gun and old enough to shoot Turkeys they should be mature enough not to run to Mommy with hurt feelings..

Someone please take their guns until they grow a set..

Originally Posted by Big_Rob (Post 1205368)

That's not the point. The teacher should have displayed professionalism instead of bleeding heart liberalism.

Also it worries me that a teacher is censoring her students during their free time at lunch.

Originally Posted by Big_Rob (Post 1205362)

But you dont know what they did with the rabbits.

Lining them up to spell out the words "Peta sucks" isnt disrespecting the animal at all. If they left them there to rot then yeah that's pretty disrespectful. But we dont know what they did with them, did they make a yummy hasenfeffer? Did they harvest their pelts and feet? We dont know.

Originally Posted by KingTheoden (Post 1205346)

+1

People like to make fun of the Native Americans for using every part of an animal right down to the bone, but if one considers things, that is a very moral and just way of making use of a hunted animal.

Originally Posted by KingTheoden

Penn and Teller make some good points, like how PETA is a gigantic scam, however they are way off the mark when it comes to animal testing and factory farming. And not all meat eaters are 'part of the problem.' There is a big difference between someone who buys organic free range chicken and the average dope who chows down on KFC's buckets of torture.

Originally Posted by ruprick (Post 1205364)

mostly see this as the parents pushing a point....and a very solid point.....the teacher needs to be a mature responsible adult.

Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1205381)

LOL, do you know what Teachers in my state make. Most can not even survive on the salary unless they are married or have a roommate. if you want mature Teachers pay them. They are lucky anyone shows up for work.

Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1205376)

Killing for food is one thing. Playing with the corpses is another. It is the disrespect and lack of appreciation for Gods gifts that has gotten the US where we are.

Originally Posted by Iptuous (Post 1205452)

Just out of curiosity, I'm wondering where you draw the line...
What about hunting trophies?
what about 'Jackalope' mountings? :wink:
are they bad?

Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1205349)

I find it hard to believe a true hunter who understands nature would endorse this type of disrespect for animals. No wonder this country has so much bad karma.


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Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1205883)

well if you want to know the truth I have issues with mounted hunting trophies. I always wonder how an animals Den would look decorated with human heads mounted on the wall. :s9:

http://www.halloweenasylum.com/Produ...fitc-15973.jpg

Originally Posted by GreenSpirit (Post 1205994)

What Avalon said.

Those "hunters" are not showing respect. :thumpdown

Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1205883)

well if you want to know the truth I have issues with mounted hunting trophies. I always wonder how an animals Den would look decorated with human heads mounted on the wall. :s9:

Originally Posted by Iptuous (Post 1207020)

I don't really condone playing with carcasses, btw. I just like arguing :wink:....then again, that pic is funny.

Originally Posted by skyvike (Post 1207460)

So you would then also feel the same about your mother's corpse being displayed naked on the street in the town where she grew up? I mean what's the difference? You're just going to stick her in a box and put it in the ground, right?

Originally Posted by skyvike (Post 1207460)

So you would then also feel the same about your mother's corpse being displayed naked on the street in the town where she grew up? I mean what's the difference? You're just going to stick her in a box and put it in the ground, right?

While I agree that animals and animal lovers are going to have to get used to the idea that WE ARE ALL PART OF THE FOOD CHAIN, still we all deserve to have our remains treated with dignity.

Originally Posted by skyvike (Post 1207460)

So you would then also feel the same about your mother's corpse being displayed naked on the street in the town where she grew up? I mean what's the difference? You're just going to stick her in a box and put it in the ground, right?

While I agree that animals and animal lovers are going to have to get used to the idea that WE ARE ALL PART OF THE FOOD CHAIN, still we all deserve to have our remains treated with dignity.

Originally Posted by DodgebyDave (Post 1207570)

So what, a pig eats it's own nuts. Offended by that?

Originally Posted by Iptuous (Post 1207020)

Avalon,
First, i must say that i've never seen an animal trophy with chains and hooks rending its skin.... (but your ideas intrigue me:D)
Second, i would say that you are probably correct that no animal has ever honored a human kill with a permanent trophy in it's abode. They just get eaten and shat out. :wink: (and they probably waste a lot of it, too!)

edit to add: I don't really condone playing with carcasses, btw. I just like arguing :wink:....then again, that pic is funny.

Originally Posted by BellevueBully (Post 1207491)

Using your example with a close loved one triggers too much emotion for a non-biased answer, but for the record, I could give a rats ass what is done with my body when I'm dead. Make a movie.....'Weekend at Bb's":D

Originally Posted by skyvike (Post 1207724)

I agree my example was extreme but it was to make a point.

I would not propose displaying granny naked in public. What I wanted to point out was that the animals we CHOOSE to kill deserve to be treated with respect and dignity.

And I do not regulate my behavioral standards based on the behavior of others so what a lion might do to a man (what a lion once DID do to one of the finer men I've ever known) is not relevant to how I treat my prey.

While I do occasionally kill an insect, I try to avoid it. There is a difference, however. If a mosquito persists in attacking me and I cannot convince it, by whatever diplomatic means at my disposal, to cease it's attacks, then I may have to kill it IN SELF DEFENSE.

To me, there is a difference between killing something when forced to defend yourself and making the conscious choice to take the physical life of another being for my own clothing or nutriment.

Those guys with the rabbits clearly CHOSE to take the lives of those bunnies and I assume they planned to eat them and perhaps make clothing from their hides. Those rabbits gave their skins (literally) as well as their lives so those guys could eat and be clothed.

I think they deserve NOT to be degraded after death by being made part of that kind of a display.

If you've ever felt sorry for the embarrassment a dog must feel when their their idiot owner has dressed them up in a lace skirt and ribbons, then you know what I mean.

Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1205883)

well if you want to know the truth I have issues with mounted hunting trophies. I always wonder how an animals Den would look decorated with human heads mounted on the wall. :s9:

http://www.halloweenasylum.com/Produ...fitc-15973.jpg

Originally Posted by Iptuous (Post 1207623)

Whoa....what?!

Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1205349)

I find it hard to believe a true hunter who understands nature would endorse this type of disrespect for animals. No wonder this country has so much bad karma.


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Originally Posted by GreenSpirit (Post 1207989)

Can anybody here create a jackrabbit?

Originally Posted by GreenSpirit (Post 1207989)

I think this is basically a division between those who recognize the spirit force within all sentient beings, as apart from those who think sentient beings are merely an accident of physical processes.

A hunter who doesn't recognize the divine spirit that animates his quarry becomes the kind of clown that uses dead bodies to spell out words. It's true.

Has anyone here killed a jackrabbit? I have.

Can anybody here create a jackrabbit?

Originally Posted by DodgebyDave (Post 1208187)

In case you haven't been keeping up, there is only ONE sentient species on this planet.

Can you create a jackrabbit?

If the answer is no then you can come on down off the pedestal.

Your so-called sense of the "spirit of the wild" is just that. Your emotional perception. The coyote doesn't feel it. All he feels is hunger. The bear doesn't feel it. The deer, the wolf, and ESPECIALLY the jackrabbit couldn't care less about your sense of "the spirit of the wild", Considering they don't THINK in abstract terms.

LOL, while the bear may not arrange your body and take pictures to post, he sure as hell isn't going to respect you carcass much either. He eats his fill and leaves the rest to the scavengers.

So what is this spirit that you are speaking of?

I'm a life long hunter, trapper and fisherman. I get emotional before, during and after a kill. Then I skin that sucker and eat it. I'll make clothes out of the skin. Again I feel an emotional sense of accomplishment.

Animals don't share these abstract though patterns. They are not sentient beings. They are not "aware", they have no sense of purpose.

They are born, they breed and then they die.

When a jackrabbit puts pen to paper and writes a novel, then I'll piss misty about the bunnies

Originally Posted by Dodgy Dave (Post 1208187)

Animals don't share these abstract though patterns. They are not sentient beings. They are not "aware", they have no sense of purpose.

They are born, they breed and then they die.

Originally Posted by Black Blade (Post 1207977)

When I was a kid we used to get together with a few dozen other people and do a "rabbit roundup" and drive the rabbits from the fields and sage brush into the center of a collapsing circle of bat and golf club wielding farmers and kids. Then as the rabbits darted for an exit the "bunny bash" started. It was a good way to get together for some fun and eliminate a pest.

Originally Posted by DodgebyDave (Post 1208187)

Animals don't share these abstract though patterns. They are not sentient beings. They are not "aware", they have no sense of purpose.

They are born, they breed and then they die.

Originally Posted by Dodgy Dave (Post 1208446)

Silver wolf, great link.

Saved it to my favorites. Great read.

However, the scientist have yet to delve into the abstract. Sure a monkey will use a stick to get ants. Even have more than one. However, in the last however many years (quite a bit longer than we have been around) has there been any improvement in the tools or method? All he knows is that if he puts a stick into a hole ants crawl on it. That's the same as if I got out a wrench put it on a bolt and waited on it to loosen itself. Do these higher primates understand it would be more efficient to use a different type of tool to bust open this ant mound, then get a spoon to scoop them up a hundred at a time rather than wait for a few to climb on?

Having an African Grey myself, I've been able to teach him to kill mice. However, If not constantly supervised, he'll bite an electrical cord and kill himself. I have no scientific data, but I think he can smell the electricity and it excites him.

Monkey see, monkey doesn't always work in nature. I have had 2 cats kill themselves inside of a fifteen minute time frame chewing on THE same extension cord.

What about those oh so smart dolphins that are time after time caught in the same fishing nets?

Whats that old saying, fool me once, shame on you? It works with humans, most of the time.

However, I did switch to box and live traps because I have become one of the greatest cat catchers in history. That, plus I derive no pleasure from intentionally making any animal suffer. if it's something I have a use for, a quick .22 to the back of the head. if it's not an animal I have a use for or want to save for another day, I let it go. That's how I got the Opossum. Poor guy was about froze to death in one of my box traps, so I took him up to the old outhouse, gave him a dish of warm milk and a blanket and let nature do it's thing. Why does he keep coming back? It's the exact same instinct that makes a bear hibernate in a warm hole.

Point is, it's always the same cats. Some might think it's cruel, but I give them a little jolt from a hotshot cattle prod to make the deal a little unnice. Could it be that the smell of the tuna is about as abstract as it gets?

As was mentioned at the head of the article, man seams to be the only species that has made fire, wrote great novels and tamed mighty rivers. Buildings and skyscrapers with running water. Electricity. Even a simple discovery such as the wheel as escaped the animal world. While I would agree that animals have language and communication, when Red Butt orders a steak with a baked potato, medium well with a Pepsi, that's when I'll buy into this abstract thought theory. Sure he would know a bottle if you showed him, sure, he would remember the taste. he might even be able to tell that he doesn't like Coke. But would he understand that both would kill him?

In summation; and this is my own opinion based on 45 years of raising animals, training animals, and loving animals for companionship and food, there is a fine line between base instinct and sentient abstract thought.

However, the line is there. It does exist. These are animals. We are animals. But that is where the commonality ends. Even the smartest horse will get spooked by a car, even if it has been around them all their lives.

How many children are frightened by car horns much past the age of 3?

Year after year the same flock of ducks will skip the neighbors pond to land in mine full of decoys. Yet they see their buddies and mates die at the hands of my shotgun, but after the noise dies down they will circle and come right on back in.

Before I'm done for the night I will give you this, elephants and chimpanzee's actively mourn when an offspring dies. An elephant will cry, and even abandon the heard to stay and protect a dead calf. However, a human will cry, bury it's dead and move on with the group, as it understands the finality and fruitlessness of trying to protect something that is dead.

Jane Goodall's study of the gombe chimps revealed jealousy, anger, maybe even spite. Definitely rage that lead to murder, arguably one of the more interesting observations to come from the study. However, the point still stands, would this chimpanzee walk right out in front of a car if you sat food in the road? Would a human do that, or wait until the coast was clear?

Therein lies the difference.

Originally Posted by Iptuous (Post 1207477)

The difference is that it would be hard to spell out something funny with just one dead mother. ...Maybe if we got his whole family's bodies it would be worth it. :D

Originally Posted by skyvike (Post 1208785)

I took care of the unfortunate misspelling.

Must have been a Freudian slip!

:bull-buddy-icon:

Originally Posted by Black Blade (Post 1208806)

It seems about every seven years we get a population explosion on Jack Rabbits and they have to be culled with a few "bunny bashes". They really devastate fields and wipe out hay stacks. It gets really wierd but that comes from the stupid yahoos killing off predators like the coyotes and foxes.

Originally Posted by Black Blade (Post 1208806)

It seems about every seven years we get a population explosion on Jack Rabbits and they have to be culled with a few "bunny bashes". They really devastate fields and wipe out hay stacks. It gets really weird but that comes from the stupid yahoos killing off predators like the coyotes and foxes.

Originally Posted by Black Blade (Post 1208874)

I see. A circle of armed men and boys shooting toward each other would be better? Hmmm...

Originally Posted by Black Blade (Post 1208881)

Sorry, but the rabbits are devastating the barley fields - and noboby - but nobody - messes with the components that make Beer!!!

When it comes to beer and rabbits - Beer wins!!!

Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1208860)

Anytime someone bashes a bunny with a golf club it is a barbarian act of pleasure. They could have easily been shot quickly to make sure they did not suffer.
If the rabbits are a problem maybe people should stop killing the coyotes and foxes and let nature cull itself.

Organizations like PETA are born because people like me who would prefer to be moderate and let nature take its course happen upon a group of grown men with gold clubs bashing bunnies and they lose their minds..

Be lucky all these people did was join PETA. If I came upon one of these little Bunnie bashing parties I would probably lose my shit and chase some rednecks with golf clubs with my pick up truck.. Now that would be entertaining.. :s9:

Originally Posted by mythman (Post 1208915)

Originally Posted by Black Blade (Post 1208951)

But the vegetables developed an odd aroma and flavour.

Originally Posted by skyvike (Post 1208785)

I took care of the unfortunate mispelling.

Must have been a Freudian slip!

:bull-buddy-icon:

Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1208942)

You assume a lot.. I live in the country..I have a garden.. We dealt with the bunnies by trapping and relocating several of them. Then my husband started peeing around the perimeters of garden and no critters have eaten a plant since then. :smokin:

If you cant shoot a rabbit maybe you need better aim.

Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1208942)

You assume a lot.. I live in the country..I have a garden.. We dealt with the bunnies by trapping and relocating several of them. Then my husband started peeing around the perimeters of garden and no critters have eaten a plant since then. :smokin:

If you cant shoot a rabbit maybe you need better aim.

Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 1208915)

Originally Posted by GOLD DUCK (Post 1209024)

QWAK,avalon,It has always seemed to ME that it is NOT so much what we do that makes it RIGHT or WRONG or perceived to be good or bad but RATHER "WHY" we do what we do.:grin:

The Aztecs honored and respected SO MUCH that they CUT peoples beating hearts out on alters using stone knife blades! At the same time they could and DID brain surgery on people who SURVIVED and lived long lives!:thinky::yes:


The Romans KILLED every thing that LIVED and did IT as INTERTAINEMENT -- some what like modern TV :wink: and none of the mess and smell of the COLASEAM!:hahaha::haha:

I believe what we have here is a "splitting of FROG HAIRS":wink:

Sure it is disrespectful of the jacks that were killed but most likely it is because they OVER populated because FIRST they KILLED all the predators that read mostly on JACKS! :thinky::yes:

The EARTH is a LIVING ENTITY that functions at a different level and what we call LIVING things including PEOPLE just live on the BACK of and ONE could make the OBSERVATION that "PEOPLE" are an INFESTATION,perhaps a DISEASE:questions to the LIVING EARTH.

Harmony is NICE but in EXCESS all things are BAD --- people are DANGEROUS to all OTHER living things.:yes:

But JUST the same one must spend ones time wisely.

As a kid I brought home an injured pigeon and nursed him back to health,called him ROCKIE.:wink: trained him to come to me for food --- after a wile WE could not get rid of him,and he brought FRIENDS:yes: Rockie and his friends were very MESSEY and NOISEY!

For years we tried every thing but they just kept coming back so finely pop started shooting them with my BB gun,it did not really hurt them and did not make them leave either!

After I went off to the army dad got a SLING SHOT and when I came back all them pigeons were GONE!:hahaha::haha:

It is WHY we DO what WE DO that matters MOST as all things are RIGHT and GOOD -- SOME TIMES!:wink::grin:

the DUCK

Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 1203878)

Originally Posted by Silver Wolf (Post 1203916)

Peta is more controlled opposition. They do more harm than good for their cause. I'm against cruel testing on animals, torturing them, or killing them just for fun. I'm pro hunting and fishing (I'm a fishing fanatic) but I'm against using dead animal's bodies to disrespectfully spell out words. If an living thing has to die, at least have a little respect for nature.

I swear this world has gone completely insane.

Originally Posted by Big_Rob (Post 1205379)

Most of the hunters I know make good use of most of the animal they kill. There's just parts of the body that you cant use for anything.



Ive got a bridge to sell ya =)

You do know that the only thing that makes the chicken free range is that they leave the door open for the chickens to walk out if they choose to do so right? And that most of the chickens choose to stay in the coop?

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4047

Originally Posted by GreenSpirit (Post 1207989)

I think this is basically a division between those who recognize the spirit force within all sentient beings, as apart from those who think sentient beings are merely an accident of physical processes.

A hunter who doesn't recognize the divine spirit that animates his quarry becomes the kind of clown that uses dead bodies to spell out words. It's true.

Has anyone here killed a jackrabbit? I have.

Can anybody here create a jackrabbit?

Originally Posted by Black Blade (Post 1207977)

When I was a kid we used to get together with a few dozen other people and do a "rabbit roundup" and drive the rabbits from the fields and sage brush into the center of a collapsing circle of bat and golf club weilding farmers and kids. Then as the rabbits darted for an exit the "bunny bash" started. It was a good way to get together for some fun and eliminate a pest.

Originally Posted by DodgebyDave (Post 1208187)

In case you haven't been keeping up, there is only ONE sentient species on this planet.

Can you create a jackrabbit?

If the answer is no then you can come on down off the pedestal.

Your so-called sense of the "spirit of the wild" is just that. Your emotional perception. The coyote doesn't feel it. All he feels is hunger. The bear doesn't feel it. The deer, the wolf, and ESPECIALLY the jackrabbit couldn't care less about your sense of "the spirit of the wild", Considering they don't THINK in abstract terms.

LOL, while the bear may not arrange your body and take pictures to post, he sure as hell isn't going to respect you carcass much either. He eats his fill and leaves the rest to the scavengers.

So what is this spirit that you are speaking of?

I'm a life long hunter, trapper and fisherman. I get emotional before, during and after a kill. Then I skin that sucker and eat it. I'll make clothes out of the skin. Again I feel an emotional sense of accomplishment.

Animals don't share these abstract though patterns. They are not sentient beings. They are not "aware", they have no sense of purpose.

They are born, they breed and then they die.

When a jackrabbit puts pen to paper and writes a novel, then I'll piss misty about the bunnies